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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s Talk Buying Online vs LBS</title>
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		<title>By: newguy</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-13296</link>
		<dc:creator>newguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My experience with the LBS is that they have a very snobbish attitude toward a newbie like myself.  I am actually in the market for a new bike now.  I have an old Trek and I need to upgrade to something for enjoyment with the family, exercise and occasional trail ride.  Since I am not going to be looking for sponsors or riding in any races, I am looking for something reasonable to me, in the $500 range.  When I go to the LBS they treat me like I am wasting their time if I&#039;m not wanting a higher end bike.  I am all about making wise decisions with my money, so if I could find a better deal online I would look at it, but would prefer to deal with someone who knows what they are talking about and I am able to look, touch and ride to know it is right for me. 

I just wish that the LBS would remember that even the lower end buyers like myself could be their next higher end bike buyer in the future and take the time to sell me what I need and willing to pay for now and not continually try to pressure me to buy to buy something that is more than what I need now.



Also, I do own my own business and I recognize the need to support our small business, but at the same time as a consumer, I don&#039;t want to pay considerably more than necessary for the same thing I can get online.  I think there can be a happy mix.  LBS are in business to make money, so I don&#039;t see the need to &quot;support&quot; them, but I would come back every time if I was treated with good service and made to feel important despite the purchase level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with the LBS is that they have a very snobbish attitude toward a newbie like myself.  I am actually in the market for a new bike now.  I have an old Trek and I need to upgrade to something for enjoyment with the family, exercise and occasional trail ride.  Since I am not going to be looking for sponsors or riding in any races, I am looking for something reasonable to me, in the $500 range.  When I go to the LBS they treat me like I am wasting their time if I&#8217;m not wanting a higher end bike.  I am all about making wise decisions with my money, so if I could find a better deal online I would look at it, but would prefer to deal with someone who knows what they are talking about and I am able to look, touch and ride to know it is right for me. </p>
<p>I just wish that the LBS would remember that even the lower end buyers like myself could be their next higher end bike buyer in the future and take the time to sell me what I need and willing to pay for now and not continually try to pressure me to buy to buy something that is more than what I need now.</p>
<p>Also, I do own my own business and I recognize the need to support our small business, but at the same time as a consumer, I don&#8217;t want to pay considerably more than necessary for the same thing I can get online.  I think there can be a happy mix.  LBS are in business to make money, so I don&#8217;t see the need to &#8220;support&#8221; them, but I would come back every time if I was treated with good service and made to feel important despite the purchase level.</p>
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		<title>By: hankcastello</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10926</link>
		<dc:creator>hankcastello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried to buy from our two LBS shops.  One tried to sell me a bike that was too small for me (54cm), probably because he didn&#039;t have what I needed - a 61cm bike on the floor.  When he then started bad-mouthing Fuji bikes (I own a Fuji mtb), I walked out.  The other shop was even worse.  I bought from bikesdirect.  The bike was easy to assemble (I am pretty much a newbie) but it wouldn&#039;t shift into the lower (third) ring.  The two shops couldn&#039;t figure it out (though they each charged me).  A shop 70 miles away figured out that I needed a wider spindle.  Bikesdirect then reimbursed me for the spindle.  We&#039;re about to buy a road bike for my wife now and we&#039;ll buy from bikesdirect again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to buy from our two LBS shops.  One tried to sell me a bike that was too small for me (54cm), probably because he didn&#8217;t have what I needed &#8211; a 61cm bike on the floor.  When he then started bad-mouthing Fuji bikes (I own a Fuji mtb), I walked out.  The other shop was even worse.  I bought from bikesdirect.  The bike was easy to assemble (I am pretty much a newbie) but it wouldn&#8217;t shift into the lower (third) ring.  The two shops couldn&#8217;t figure it out (though they each charged me).  A shop 70 miles away figured out that I needed a wider spindle.  Bikesdirect then reimbursed me for the spindle.  We&#8217;re about to buy a road bike for my wife now and we&#8217;ll buy from bikesdirect again.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10765</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not &quot;support&quot; businesses they are not charities. If you are a product that is competitive then I will buy it. Most of the LBS operators I have met are parasites who sell overpriced items I can buy elsewhere. Bikes and their components are so fungible there is no need to stick to a dedicated suppliers, as is the case with cars or other highly specialized products. I have occasionally been &quot;guilted&quot; about not &quot;supporting my LBS. My response has usually been a mixture of go F&amp;*k yourself and its your money if you want to be an idiot its your  problem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not &#8220;support&#8221; businesses they are not charities. If you are a product that is competitive then I will buy it. Most of the LBS operators I have met are parasites who sell overpriced items I can buy elsewhere. Bikes and their components are so fungible there is no need to stick to a dedicated suppliers, as is the case with cars or other highly specialized products. I have occasionally been &#8220;guilted&#8221; about not &#8220;supporting my LBS. My response has usually been a mixture of go F&amp;*k yourself and its your money if you want to be an idiot its your  problem</p>
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		<title>By: Stevekenan2</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10114</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevekenan2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The LBS is the bomb. the only way to go for sure. They take care of me so I got to take care of them. Especially im not the best bicycle mechanic. The only time I would rather shop online is if Im to busy to make it to the shop, the shop cant order the product I need and I know exactly what it is that I need. Still, shopping online totally sucks and is a last resort for me. Even if I know exactly what I want it could still come wrong or mispackaged and/or the courier always fs it up and I gotta go pick it up from them which is way more inconvenient then going to the LBS. for this reason, I think it would be smart if online sales were handled directly through the LBS. Everyone would make more money and the customer would be happier. Big online conglomerates that buy up other companys dosnt do anyone any good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LBS is the bomb. the only way to go for sure. They take care of me so I got to take care of them. Especially im not the best bicycle mechanic. The only time I would rather shop online is if Im to busy to make it to the shop, the shop cant order the product I need and I know exactly what it is that I need. Still, shopping online totally sucks and is a last resort for me. Even if I know exactly what I want it could still come wrong or mispackaged and/or the courier always fs it up and I gotta go pick it up from them which is way more inconvenient then going to the LBS. for this reason, I think it would be smart if online sales were handled directly through the LBS. Everyone would make more money and the customer would be happier. Big online conglomerates that buy up other companys dosnt do anyone any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10041</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lovingthebike.com/?p=8291#comment-10043</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10044</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10045</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Charrette</title>
		<link>http://lovingthebike.com/video-blog/lets-talk-buying-online-vs-lbs/comment-page-1#comment-10046</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Charrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lovingthebike.com/?p=8291#comment-10046</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#039;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. 

I don&#039;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc...service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes... This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#039;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#039;trouble&#039; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. 

I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a now former bike shop owner I will say 90% of these are right on. When we decided to close our shop we weren&#8217;t even worried about  losing out on too many deals. You as a consumer can get the same or better deals than most shop owners on 70% of items. Hint: ebay, UK, or join a local cycling club where bike manufacturers offer you 40% off a bike just for riding it in your local crit. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand shops that are rude or turn away bike builds, service on parts not purchased there etc&#8230;service is where you make money so who cares where they bought it. This is your opportunity as a shop to win their business next time. I will say that you should not expect the bro deal if you are buying elsewhere for your purchases and only come in for sales or the occasional tube. Also with regard to tubes&#8230; This is another area where shops make money. We always priced tubes fairly (50% markup) but found almost all other shops price up about 100% or $7-9 on average. This is smart on their part. Most people buy tubes when they are in need and can&#8217;t shop around. Just good business. Bike shops also only make a 35-40% margin on bikes. So when you add in bike fits, lifetime adjustments most shops loose money on bike sales. We got to the point where we would rather a &#8216;trouble&#8217; customer buy the bike somewhere else so we did not have to deal with them without charging them. If we were to do this again we would open a higher end service only shop where customers felt comfortable bringing in their online parts without either end worrying about the relationship etc..It would be purely about the skill and knowledge of the mechanic and that is what you would pay for. I have seen a few of these pop up and I think they are the future. </p>
<p>I will say that the one point that sometimes bothered  me as an owner is that we invested a lot in the community. We supported every local cause as well as lots of time and money on building local trails, a kids bike program, pump track. So when you invest like that and see the people using it not invest in you it hurts. So if you have a LBS that is giving back you should think about going there first. I know people in our town are pretty upset we are leaving as we are the only LBS in a 30 miles radius and they now see what we did for the community. Your LBS may be hanging on by a thread so if you value them in your community think about paying $1.99 for a Honey Stinger waffle there rather than $1.29 online at least once in awhile.</p>
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